I'm seeing a number of issues like this. I wonder if the user community is not forgetting the intent of Visual Basic Express It's intended for hobbyists and people who are learning computing. It is not intended for production use.
Renee, is that in the EULA I don't recall seeing such a statement.
I hear the word "issue" in conjunction with VBE and reporting. I'm trying to understand "issue" as you are using it. VBE is given away for free to the general public for about the next ten months. It is being given to the general public for free for the purpose of home use and general hobby use and learning.
It is experessively not intended for the production of commercial or production software.
In this light, I'm still trying to unerstand "issue". I can think of issues that free software might have. If it damaged or hurt your system, that would be an "issue". But, given that VBE is FREE, and in that it does not have report writing capabilities, which is a professional unerstaking, I'm at a loss to understand just what the issue is.
"Renee, is that in the EULA I don't recall seeing such a statement."
Hi Paul,
I haven't read the EULA. I do know what I've seen several Microsoft people say here on the boards many times which is that express, although it is very comprehensive, is intended for learning and hobby used and is not a product offering intended to support professional endeavors.
I hear the word "issue" in conjunction reporting. I'm trying to understand "issue" as you are using it. VBE is given away for free to the general public for about the next ten months. It is being given to the general public for free for the purpose of home use and general hobby use and learning.
It is experessively not intended for the production of commercial or production software.
In this light, I'm still trying to understand "issue". I can think of issues that free software might have. If it damaged or hurt your system, that would be an "issue". But, given that VBE is FREE, and in that it does not have report writing capabilities, which is a professional unerstaking, I'm at a loss to understand just what the issue is.
I have VS2005 Professional installed on one computer (a trial edition), and VB2005 Express on two other computers (one XP Home, one XP Pro).
I use VB2005 Express 99% of the time. It does not say in the EULA that it cannot be used for professional development. but it is designed for learning and hobbyists.
I'm seeing a number of issues like this. I wonder if the user community is not forgetting the intent of Visual Basic Express It's intended for hobbyists and people who are learning computing. It is not intended for production use.
If you need reports, it's probably for some kind of professional undertaking. In which case, you would be better served by VS2005 Standard or VS2005 Professional.
If it's for a personal project, you could create your own report from scratch: indeed, it would be a marvelous learning exersize - since VB Express is aimed at beginners (learners) and hobbyists. Investigate the printing methods to create your own reports. It won't be easy or a quick task, but the end result can be abolutely brilliant, and most unique. By then you should realize that reporting (software tools that provide simple interface for a user) are quite complex tools. Is it so outrageous that one should pay for someone elses hard work
Another method will be to leverage XML and HTML to produce reports: the web browsers have nice clean interface and printing capability.
I'm not advocating that you can 'bypass' VB Express' limited [sic] reporting capability, just that you can use our imagination to get what you need. However, if your principal objective is to produce reports, then you need to buy or upgrade to tools which meet your objective.
That's cool, although from my experience so far it's a capable tool for developing professional applications.
No doubt about it, Paul. I'm very difficult to impress and one day last summer when I had nothing better to do, I downloaded VBE and I've been here every since. Were it not a professional product, we wouldn't be talking now. I think VBE is incredibly impressive.
What I was addressing was what sounded like a "product issue" on a free product. Just because Microsoft has been clear about the intent of VBE doesn't mean that it's not a very technically generous product. I'd probably still be running it if it had a call Stack.
i guess vs is free in express edition because of java studio is free now, framework is free like java run time envir. you can use plain text editor and in line compilers , yet another round in the war between microsoft and sun. Express edition is just light weight to attract more students , also vs has very great features that was my reason to shift from learning java to learn .net , i guess microsoft will not mind for third party add_ins
I'm just starting to learn programing so a lot of what I read (in the help files and in forums such as this one) is well over my head so I hope you can excuse my ignorence.
I have not yet started a project but I am compiling as much info as I can and have noticed that reporting is an isue in vb express and I would appriciate an insight into using the report generator or report creator in visual basic 2005 express edition
look at www.gotdotnet.com under the user samples section!
Someone recently, published a free usable chart report library! Also search for the ReportGenerator or ReportCreator. It's also free and a simply, way to do reports with the express editions!
That's cool, although from my experience so far it's a capable tool for developing professional applications.
In any event, the great thing about Visual Basic has always been its extensibility. Even if Microsoft doesn't provide a feature, there's a pretty good chance you can pick up a component or add-on from a third party vendor (such is the case with a chart control or reporting tool).
ReneeC I would have to take exception to your comment that people doing professional things should not be using VBE but should run out and buy VS. I disagree. VS simply gives you more tools and apparently easier methods of accomplishing almost all of the tasks VBE does. Visual Basic is a language. Who has the right to say how that language is used
I'd take exception with that statement too as I never said it.
ReneeC I would have to take exception to your comment that people doing professional things should not be using VBE but should run out and buy VS. I disagree. VS simply gives you more tools and apparently easier methods of accomplishing almost all of the tasks VBE does. Visual Basic is a language. Who has the right to say how that language is used
Last I checked, Internet Explorer is free and is probably used for all sorts of professional tasks - including incorporating IE in VBE.
In my opinion free simply means limited or no support and use at your own risk; Not limited use. If MS required that it be limited for personal use it would either be written in the EULA (which I have not read) or it would not allow functions to be used rather than just make it harder to perform those functions i.e. accessing a remote database.
Jeff
How can I do reports with my visual Basic Express Edition?
How can I do reports with my visual Basic Express Edition?
Light Walker
Renee, is that in the EULA I don't recall seeing such a statement.
Daniel Graham
Ruski,
Hello there. :)
I hear the word "issue" in conjunction with VBE and reporting. I'm trying to understand "issue" as you are using it. VBE is given away for free to the general public for about the next ten months. It is being given to the general public for free for the purpose of home use and general hobby use and learning.
It is experessively not intended for the production of commercial or production software.
In this light, I'm still trying to unerstand "issue". I can think of issues that free software might have. If it damaged or hurt your system, that would be an "issue". But, given that VBE is FREE, and in that it does not have report writing capabilities, which is a professional unerstaking, I'm at a loss to understand just what the issue is.
vijaytooly
"Renee, is that in the EULA I don't recall seeing such a statement."
Hi Paul,
I haven't read the EULA. I do know what I've seen several Microsoft people say here on the boards many times which is that express, although it is very comprehensive, is intended for learning and hobby used and is not a product offering intended to support professional endeavors.
Don Jayamanne
Ruski,
Hello there. :)
I hear the word "issue" in conjunction reporting. I'm trying to understand "issue" as you are using it. VBE is given away for free to the general public for about the next ten months. It is being given to the general public for free for the purpose of home use and general hobby use and learning.
It is experessively not intended for the production of commercial or production software.
In this light, I'm still trying to understand "issue". I can think of issues that free software might have. If it damaged or hurt your system, that would be an "issue". But, given that VBE is FREE, and in that it does not have report writing capabilities, which is a professional unerstaking, I'm at a loss to understand just what the issue is.
omelete
I have VS2005 Professional installed on one computer (a trial edition), and VB2005 Express on two other computers (one XP Home, one XP Pro).
I use VB2005 Express 99% of the time. It does not say in the EULA that it cannot be used for professional development. but it is designed for learning and hobbyists.
Bruce Englar
I'm seeing a number of issues like this. I wonder if the user community is not forgetting the intent of Visual Basic Express It's intended for hobbyists and people who are learning computing. It is not intended for production use.
svoeller99
I agree with Renee (yet again
).
If you need reports, it's probably for some kind of professional undertaking. In which case, you would be better served by VS2005 Standard or VS2005 Professional.
If it's for a personal project, you could create your own report from scratch: indeed, it would be a marvelous learning exersize - since VB Express is aimed at beginners (learners) and hobbyists. Investigate the printing methods to create your own reports. It won't be easy or a quick task, but the end result can be abolutely brilliant, and most unique. By then you should realize that reporting (software tools that provide simple interface for a user) are quite complex tools. Is it so outrageous that one should pay for someone elses hard work
Another method will be to leverage XML and HTML to produce reports: the web browsers have nice clean interface and printing capability.
I'm not advocating that you can 'bypass' VB Express' limited [sic] reporting capability, just that you can use our imagination to get what you need. However, if your principal objective is to produce reports, then you need to buy or upgrade to tools which meet your objective.
PPtrueno
That's cool, although from my experience so far it's a capable tool for developing professional applications.
No doubt about it, Paul. I'm very difficult to impress and one day last summer when I had nothing better to do, I downloaded VBE and I've been here every since. Were it not a professional product, we wouldn't be talking now. I think VBE is incredibly impressive.
What I was addressing was what sounded like a "product issue" on a free product. Just because Microsoft has been clear about the intent of VBE doesn't mean that it's not a very technically generous product. I'd probably still be running it if it had a call Stack.
I think we are in violent agreement!!!!
elfw
hi,
i guess vs is free in express edition because of java studio is free now, framework is free like java run time envir. you can use plain text editor and in line compilers , yet another round in the war between microsoft and sun. Express edition is just light weight to attract more students , also vs has very great features that was my reason to shift from learning java to learn .net , i guess microsoft will not mind for third party add_ins
best regards
Prashanthganathe
Hi everyone,
Hi BavBoy,
I'm just starting to learn programing so a lot of what I read (in the help files and in forums such as this one) is well over my head so I hope you can excuse my ignorence.
I have not yet started a project but I am compiling as much info as I can and have noticed that reporting is an isue in vb express and I would appriciate an insight into using the report generator or report creator in visual basic 2005 express edition
thank you for help,
Ruski.
Digant Desai
look at www.gotdotnet.com under the user samples section!
Someone recently, published a free usable chart report library! Also search for the ReportGenerator or ReportCreator. It's also free and a simply, way to do reports with the express editions!
Hope that helps,
Bavaro Boyd
kok_cz
That's cool, although from my experience so far it's a capable tool for developing professional applications.
In any event, the great thing about Visual Basic has always been its extensibility. Even if Microsoft doesn't provide a feature, there's a pretty good chance you can pick up a component or add-on from a third party vendor (such is the case with a chart control or reporting tool).
windthorstking
ReneeC I would have to take exception to your comment that people doing professional things should not be using VBE but should run out and buy VS. I disagree. VS simply gives you more tools and apparently easier methods of accomplishing almost all of the tasks VBE does. Visual Basic is a language. Who has the right to say how that language is used
I'd take exception with that statement too as I never said it.
Ray987
ReneeC I would have to take exception to your comment that people doing professional things should not be using VBE but should run out and buy VS. I disagree. VS simply gives you more tools and apparently easier methods of accomplishing almost all of the tasks VBE does. Visual Basic is a language. Who has the right to say how that language is used
Last I checked, Internet Explorer is free and is probably used for all sorts of professional tasks - including incorporating IE in VBE.
In my opinion free simply means limited or no support and use at your own risk; Not limited use. If MS required that it be limited for personal use it would either be written in the EULA (which I have not read) or it would not allow functions to be used rather than just make it harder to perform those functions i.e. accessing a remote database.
Jeff