Is Visual Basic Express A Toy?????

Is Visual Basic Express A Toy?????

• Laptiev Igor

  Hi There
  
  Hey Carl
  
  Carl Asks  "Are you saying there is a problem with the Guided Tour "Managing Your Records: Using Data in Your Program" that could lead me astray or is there a problem with VS Express Just want to clarify for my understanding!"

  MS says There Is No Problem With Either....... MS Says This Is a FEATURE Not a BUG!!!
  
  Read This Post Below and You Tell Me......

  http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/ShowPost.aspx PostID=155835&SiteID=1
  
  Client Server Network Applications is Where It’s At..... Do the Tutorial "Managing Your Records: Using Data in Your Program " And You are on Your Way to a Career Change.......

  
  Cheers
  Bronco Billy
  "Beer and Fast Women are Ok... No Cigarettes or Hard Liquor Allowed"

  
  

• Aengus

  Ahh yes. This problem had me going for a while. Could not figure out where my changes were going and why my code was not working. But I can see how copying the database could be considered a feature.
  
  Here how.
  
  Set up the database with some known data that is used as a baseline/starting point for testing your program. As you test your program by adding and deleting records, some of which may hold crazy data because you are testing your program, the database will become full of perhaps this nonsensical testdata. When I reach a certain point in development, (Meaning I think I have fixed all the bugs) I can revert to the original database and start retesting again.
  
  So in a way I can see how copying the database over the output directory can have some benefit to the developer.
  
  It just took alot of time to understand what was going on cause I thought I was doing something wrong!

  
  

• Marcus Ogden

  Hi There

  Hey Steve

  You Are The Best..... These Free Products Are Terrific...... I am Learning VB Express and VWD Express..... Do the Tutorials and Help Things etc..... And you will get where you Want to Go..... I am a Dinosaur(Rapter) Now ... I am almost a Bird..... And when I become a Person God knows where I will Go..... It’s all Rock And Roll.... God Bless John Lennon and Penelope.......

  PS- Hey Carl We Moved The World....
  
  Cheers
  Bronco Billy
  "Beer and Fast Women are Ok... No Cigarettes or Hard Liquor Allowed

  
  

• StevenSw

  Hi There

  Hey Carl

  Ok Carl following your Scenario....... Your App is working the way you want.... You Deploy and go into Production with Good Data (Opposed to Goofy Data)........ After a Months worth of Your Wife's Adding, Changing, Deleting Your Business Data. Your Wife wants a different Background Color..... No Problem Back to designer change Background Color and you Redeploy...... BINGO you just lost a months worth of Adding ,Changing, and Deleting Business Data ...... The Data reverts to The Initial State..... Your Wife Divorces you and gets all your $$$$..... You are Homeless.... NICE FEATURE.....
  
  Cheers
  Bronco Billy
  "Beer and Fast Women are Ok... No Cigarettes or Hard Liquor Allowed

  
  

  
  

• John Gordon - MSFT

  hi,
  
  i got it!
  
  you don't need windows, visual studio express or whatever.
  
  you need a cheap $200 computer with GNU Linux, a poster of stallman and a dvd of linux distribs, and of cource a 1000 pages paper manual on how to build your own distrib. with important lessons on kernel.
  
  this time its orange
  
  bye,
  Abhishek

  
  

• manhatma

  Hi There

  Hey TX

  After All These Years I Always Thought I was too Dumb to be in this Profession.......Now You Finally Confirmed It......
  Thanks
  PS Stop Picking on Carl He’s Not a Dinosaur......
  
  Cheers
  Bronco Billy
  "Beer and Fast Women are Ok... No Cigarettes or Hard Liquor Allowed

  
  

• Timur Zanagar

  so, don't use it, simple solution!
  
  VB Express is pretty good, if we compare VB6 Pro's ability to create local apps, its comparable.
  
  
  

  
  

• Surajkb

  Bronco Billy,
  
  Now I am a little confused and concerned about your post. Are you saying there is a problem with the guided tour "Managing Your Records: Using Data in Your Program"  that could lead me astray or is there a problem with VS Express Just want to clarify for my understanding!
  
  Oh and a little background on me...... learned BASIC in High school on a VAX and on a TRS 80 cause it was cool ( I guess I didnt know any fast women to keep me occupied!)........took Fortran in college...cause I had to (Still didnt know any fast women). At my first job I Learned a little Forth... Just enough so I could make equipment that I worked on run so I could get out of the customer site and go home (field tech) and now I am learning VB cause .....hmmm....... because...... OK I get bored and need a challenge......gotta go cause the wife is yelling at me to get off the computer and talk to her!!!
  
  But man am I having a good time learning!!!!!!
  
  ;-)
  

• José Nelson

  Hi all,
  
  Since I'm the one who actually wrote the Visual Basic Guided Tour, I will jump in here. The default value of the CopyToOutputFolder property for a database was changed late in Beta 2, resulting in the less than intuitive behavior that you are describing. Unfortunately I missed this change, resulting in much confusion for those working through the "Managing Your Records" section - for that I apologize.
  
  This has already been fixed in the source documentation and the online version of the MSDN Library will be updated soon, as well as being updated in any future downloadable Help updates.
  
  As for Bronco Billy's fear of getting divorced and becoming homeless - you can avoid that problem simply by changing the BuildAction property for the database to None after your initial deployment. The next time you build and publish, the database won't be included in the Setup, and it won't overwrite the data in your deployed database.
  
  Hope this helps,
  Steve Hoag
  Visual Basic Express
  
  

• Yogesh Roy MSFT

  BB (and Carl, too),
  
  From what you post it doesn't sound as though either of you need a SQL-based application that will scale to handle the universe and turn handstands with hundreds of table relationships that are searched super fast. Why not start by deciding if the VB/SQL Express products are what you really need
  
  Maybe MS Access would work. I'm not a programmer, but have built Access apps for personal use that were fairly sophisticated with respect to queries & reports, etc.
  
  Sorry, BB, but you gave away your bias when you stated that you taught programming at the college level. That puts you 5-10 years behind the rest of the world in terms of technology.
  
  What's wrong with hard liquor that's not wrong with beer
  
  John from Dallas
  
  

• cipri

  Hi There

  Hey Carl

  Very Nice Post..... Says It All and I Totally Agree with EveryThing You Say..... Are You Surprised!!!

  Not to Toot My Horn... Let Me give a Bit of My BackGround...... Just so You can See Where I am Coming From (Not An Appeal To Authority) and I am Not Shooting From the Hip..... Systems Assembler Programmer IBM 360, Application Programmer for Apples, Commodores, IBM PC’S, Taught College Level Programming Courses, Etc...

  The Ability to ADD, CHANGE, DELETE Records of A Database is The Crux Of Business Application Programming... It is CRITICAL This Tutorial Works Without a Flaw......I know Why It Doesn’t Work and can(Have) Work(ed) Around It.......

  But it’s Guys like you who could get Burned Big Time(Loss Data, etc).......

  I too am Learning VB Express And VWD Express..... These are the Prettiest And Best Developmental Systems I ever Worked With.... Why The Howard Stearn Shock Value Post Above.... To Get Your Attention!!!!!!!!!
  
  Cheers
  Bronco Billy
  "Beer and Fast Women are Ok... No Cigarettes or Hard Liquor Allowed

  
  

• blouie

  Hmmmm! I am pretty new to VB programming and find VS Express to be a fascinating product. In one day I had a program that tracks clients to the stage where I could save them to a database and have something useable.
  
  At the beginning of this year I paid some professional programmers to create this program for me but it ran aground after several months because they could not get some of the program features I wanted, to work. (That was a nice $1,000 lesson)
  
  After two weeks I have a program that does many of the things I want and am confident that I can complete this program. It is very slow going because I have to do a lot of searching and reading to learn how to code the things I want to do.
  
  There are some things that the express edition cannot do but so far it is not stopping me from accomplishing what I need to. I am learning a huge amount about programming and now understand what the professionals were trying to tell me when they said they could not do some things in a certain way. (But I am learning how to resolve the issues)
  
  Express has been a great tool for learning and I would have gladly paid for it. It makes programming very accessible to the lay person. At some point however I may upgrade to professional but for right now, it serves the purpose very well.
  
  Towards your point, I have had some of the kits and tutorials fail to run on Express, but that has not deterred me from using the product and learning a huge amount!
  
  Regards,
  
  Carl
  

• Robert Wagenaar

  Hi There

  Hey Chint
  
  Nice Post....   How do You do the Green Thing    I was Thinking About Doing One of those Seasonal Posts Myself...... Does this say Happy Holidays, Merry Christmas, or Whatever....
  Thanks In Advance....
   
  Cheers
  Bronco Billy
  "Beer and Fast Women are Ok... No Cigarettes or Hard Liquor Allowed
  
  

  
  

  
  

• mike22

  John from Dallas,
  
  Well John, it didn't take you long to display your bias - age!
  
  I'm 55+, and a powerhouse in .NET Framework, ASP.NET, C++/C# -- you name it, and on every platform and generation of software/hardware tools since my college days, in 1972.
  
  By the way, I have a dual PhD in Math/Physics ... most of my undergrad was done at night, over a 10 yr period, but the Doctorate ... I took a leave of absense from a top Engineering position at one of the world's largest Pharmaceutical firms.
  
  I pray to God you don't represent the next generation of Managers, who believe that all good programming talent must be young and from the Asian sub-continent -- that would be India for anyone under 30.
  
  You know the type, they pretend to know something about your firm's business while sucking the life ($$$) out of it during, let's say, a global CRM/ERP deployment, or a Network Infrastruture revamp w/ complex SOX Reg requirements -- which never seems to get deployed.
  
  Of course, they know NOTHING about your core business or customer side -- tech heads strapped to an IPOD all day, who can't effectively communicate in the English language during critical project phases or Team meetings.
  
  Well, now you know my bias, and hopefully you'll grasp the concept that desire, drive, capability, intellect, and performace have nothing to do w/ age.
  
  By the way, is it new news to anyone in our industry that YOUNGER = CHEAPER!
  
  
  GreatLaker in Ohio
  
  PS. Most of us over 50 promise not to exploit our age, wisdom and experience over the less fortunate.  But we sometimes can't help ourselves.
  
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