A very sad story... I understand why Microsoft is prioritizing C#, VB over C++, its because these languages targets a huge audience. But as a C++ developer it saddens me that C++ has been around for a very long time vs. C# which has only been around at the 21st century, yet the newer ones gets all the goodies...
I really hope that this would change in the next realease (Orcas )
I understand your complains, but from my point of view it is alittle bit different: - MS has done a very huge investment in trying to make the class-designer to work with C++ - C++ is a very complex language to parse! At least more complex that C# or VB - MS had made a new and very good definition of doing managed stuff in C++/CLI; it was never better than today - The C++ compiler was never that good and conformat like today - It might be true that C++ is a "second class" language in pure .NET development; but this comes from the "bad" definition of the managed C++ in VC2002/2003... with C++/CLI it is (mostyl) as easy as doing C# - The class designer is only postponded to the next version...
I can understand the frustration. We made a sincere effort to support C++ in the classdesigner. If C++ weren't a priorirty we wouldn't have even spent the resources that we did to get this feature in to begin with. In the end for reasons including those mentioned by Jochen above and the fact that we couldn't guarantee a high quality user experience we decided to pull this feature out.
I see... Mmmmm... C++ continues to be a second class languaje in .NET.
I’ve read the entire link and I think MS is forcing us to forget C++ and become C# developers. I cannot forget C++ because I do cross platform and I use the C/C++ as the only language available…
Really, I don’t understand the meaning about that. Other companies have class designers/OO tools for C++. Are MS programmers less intelligent than others’ companies
It’s clear to me: c++ continues being a second class language in .NET development.
What will occur when Longhorn becomes System programming has done in C/C++. Will we use C# ¿Is C#/NET ready for system programming
I prefer partial refactoring than none. VC has a class viewer. You can see al the classes with all methods/data members/etc. The next step is put it in graphical mode. Parser is here, understanding the meaning of a class is here (intellisense), graphical stuff is here (other .NET languages), .NET doesn’t allows C++ as a better C. ¿Where is the difficult
I’m feel very disappointed in the meaning of disillusioned.
Where are "edit and continue" and refactoring options in Beta 2?
Where are "edit and continue" and refactoring options in Beta 2?
Robert Hartley
I think it might depend on the "class designer" which was postponed in VC2005 (starting with Beta2) to a later version...
See: http://blogs.msdn.com/classdesigner/archive/2005/03/04/384764.aspx
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Greetings
Jochen
Piyu
A very sad story...
I understand why Microsoft is prioritizing C#, VB over C++, its because these languages targets a huge audience. But as a C++ developer it saddens me that C++ has been around for a very long time vs. C# which has only been around at the 21st century, yet the newer ones gets all the goodies...
I really hope that this would change in the next realease (Orcas )
A very saddened C++ developer,
Paul June A. Domag
JulieL
- MS has done a very huge investment in trying to make the class-designer to work with C++
- C++ is a very complex language to parse! At least more complex that C# or VB
- MS had made a new and very good definition of doing managed stuff in C++/CLI; it was never better than today
- The C++ compiler was never that good and conformat like today
- It might be true that C++ is a "second class" language in pure .NET development; but this comes from the "bad" definition of the managed C++ in VC2002/2003... with C++/CLI it is (mostyl) as easy as doing C#
- The class designer is only postponded to the next version...
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Greetings
Jochen
Brad007
Ramesh Rajagopal.
Class Designer Team.
Rocky Raher
I’ve read the entire link and I think MS is forcing us to forget C++ and become C# developers. I cannot forget C++ because I do cross platform and I use the C/C++ as the only language available…
Really, I don’t understand the meaning about that. Other companies have class designers/OO tools for C++. Are MS programmers less intelligent than others’ companies
It’s clear to me: c++ continues being a second class language in .NET development.
What will occur when Longhorn becomes System programming has done in C/C++. Will we use C# ¿Is C#/NET ready for system programming
I prefer partial refactoring than none. VC has a class viewer. You can see al the classes with all methods/data members/etc. The next step is put it in graphical mode. Parser is here, understanding the meaning of a class is here (intellisense), graphical stuff is here (other .NET languages), .NET doesn’t allows C++ as a better C. ¿Where is the difficult
I’m feel very disappointed in the meaning of disillusioned.