My guess would be that they're at http://asp.net/forums/. It appears to me that these particular forums are based on CommunityServer :: Forums, owned by Telligent Systems, who also has the contract for maintaining and supporting (I believe so anyway, someone correct me if I'm wrong) http://asp.net, which leads me to believe that they probably don't wish to lose any asp.net discussions from there to these forums.
Thanks for the answers Josh and Alex. I do thik these forums are a good idea. Any plan on moving them to CS::Forums like what is being done at the asp.net site
Is this a sign that Microsoft newsgroup forum may move to here CommunityServer latest release also has a module to connect NNTP for newsgroup posting/reading. Wonder why Telligent folks were putting effort in it, that it may be.
There are several issues in this thread I should comment on:
Where's the Web dev forum for us ASP.NET monkeys Bob guessed it. There is a vibrant community that has developed over @ the Asp.Net/forums site. For now questions about web development should be posted to that site.
In the short term (1-2 months) we'll be creating links to related forums on the Asp.Net site to make this easier.
In the long term (before VS 2005 ships) we're going to be exploring our options on how to best combine the experiences on these two sites without doing anything to disrupt the thousands of users that come back to the Asp.net/forums site daily. Our first target will be making sure that the search in VS grabs content from both locations.
Kevin is also right. There was user demand for a set of forums to discuss technologies that didn't fit under the Asp.Net site umbrella. I'm glad you think its a great idea. <sigh of relief>.
Regarding the Microsoft.Public Newsgroups I see the two systems as complimentary to each other. However there are features in the forum system that people have been requesting (such as moderation, user profiles, rss feeds, etc) that just don't work well with public NNTP feeds.
One more note: assume all of above also applies to the forums on windowsforms.net-- we know that we need to figure out the same questions there too. Stay tuned for more info...
The code for this system was partially built from the 2.0 code branch of the Asp.Net forums that was used to build the CS::Forum system and there are certainly some similarities.
Many of the differences, however, come from requirements we have to host applications at Microsoft. For example: Our information privacy policies for users restrict us from storing much of the richer profile information that you get with the CS::forums and also require us to leverage passport as the login authentication system since your data can only be associated with that GUID. Having said all that...
I'd like to believe that we have a pretty good relationship with the fine folks at Telligent. I love the CS products and I think there will be some good information sharing between the two projects down the line. For example: we added the concept of question attribution to enable the creation of FAQ views into forums and for users to be able to decide, for themselves, if a question has really been answered. I'm hopeful that we'll be able to work that sort of meta-data functionality into the CS::Forums system that will be used by the Asp.Net/forums site down the line.
As I understand it, the Community Server NNTP add-in will read existing newsgroups and display them as forums (as well as allow you to read forums in a newsgroup reader). So the actual newsgroups would have to remain in order to be displayed. Having all that content available on both the NNTP and HTTP delivery mechanisms makes it much more convenient since I can view it whatever way I wish.
I agree. The telligent folks have said that they run the asp.net site and are in the process of converting it to the Community Server platform.
The asp.net forums site is so widely known and used I can't imagine anyone wanting to move the forums over to this URL. I think having an "official" set of forums for non-asp.net topics simiar to the asp.net site is a great idea. And they probably didn't want to put that under the "asp.net" umbrella by having it on that site.
forums.microsoft.com is a nice generic URL, and will make a great addition to the microsoft newsgroups.
There are actually two NNTP pieces of Community Server that are forthcoming:
1) An NNTP reader: this will essentially do what you are talking about Kevin 2) An NNTP server: this will actually provide an NNTP interface to forums data
There is also a third add-in in the works that will provide a listserv interface to forums data for folks who want to work with the forums via email as opposed to NNTP or the web interface.
The forums here at forums.microsoft.com are not running on CS::Forums. The only connection to what is being done here and what we are doing with addins at Telligent is that Microsoft has seen what we've seen (in my opinion) - developers want to choose the way they collaborate with other developers. Community Server (via the addins) will provide that option.
Where's the Web dev forum?
Jeff Barton
Could be wrong of course, but that's my guess.
ChrisCC
squeakstar
DerekM
David Leibowitz
Where's the Web dev forum for us ASP.NET monkeys
Bob guessed it. There is a vibrant community that has developed over @ the Asp.Net/forums site. For now questions about web development should be posted to that site.
In the short term (1-2 months) we'll be creating links to related forums on the Asp.Net site to make this easier.
In the long term (before VS 2005 ships) we're going to be exploring our options on how to best combine the experiences on these two sites without doing anything to disrupt the thousands of users that come back to the Asp.net/forums site daily. Our first target will be making sure that the search in VS grabs content from both locations.
Kevin is also right. There was user demand for a set of forums to discuss technologies that didn't fit under the Asp.Net site umbrella. I'm glad you think its a great idea. <sigh of relief>.
Regarding the Microsoft.Public Newsgroups
I see the two systems as complimentary to each other. However there are features in the forum system that people have been requesting (such as moderation, user profiles, rss feeds, etc) that just don't work well with public NNTP feeds.
One more note: assume all of above also applies to the forums on windowsforms.net-- we know that we need to figure out the same questions there too. Stay tuned for more info...
rjhdakota
Many of the differences, however, come from requirements we have to host applications at Microsoft. For example: Our information privacy policies for users restrict us from storing much of the richer profile information that you get with the CS::forums and also require us to leverage passport as the login authentication system since your data can only be associated with that GUID. Having said all that...
I'd like to believe that we have a pretty good relationship with the fine folks at Telligent. I love the CS products and I think there will be some good information sharing between the two projects down the line. For example: we added the concept of question attribution to enable the creation of FAQ views into forums and for users to be able to decide, for themselves, if a question has really been answered. I'm hopeful that we'll be able to work that sort of meta-data functionality into the CS::Forums system that will be used by the Asp.Net/forums site down the line.
forkart
I would always consider http://www.asp.net as the primary asp.net forums
And
I would always consider http://www.windowsforms.net as the primary windows forms forums. Those site have been there since day one.
These I guess would be everything else.
Cornishboy
Phattim
The asp.net forums site is so widely known and used I can't imagine anyone wanting to move the forums over to this URL. I think having an "official" set of forums for non-asp.net topics simiar to the asp.net site is a great idea. And they probably didn't want to put that under the "asp.net" umbrella by having it on that site.
forums.microsoft.com is a nice generic URL, and will make a great addition to the microsoft newsgroups.
difg
1) An NNTP reader: this will essentially do what you are talking about Kevin
2) An NNTP server: this will actually provide an NNTP interface to forums data
There is also a third add-in in the works that will provide a listserv interface to forums data for folks who want to work with the forums via email as opposed to NNTP or the web interface.
The forums here at forums.microsoft.com are not running on CS::Forums. The only connection to what is being done here and what we are doing with addins at Telligent is that Microsoft has seen what we've seen (in my opinion) - developers want to choose the way they collaborate with other developers. Community Server (via the addins) will provide that option.